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		<title>By: Brook</title>
		<link>http://pointblankseo.com/seo-cycle-infographic/comment-page-1#comment-13931</link>
		<dc:creator>Brook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realized last month that my nerdy link building staff was no longer enough. They are great guys but this wouldn&#039;t but it anymore. So I gritted my teeth, pulled from my savings and hired a badass PR. The type that sets up events, calls TV stations and doesn&#039;t take no for an answer. Why? Because I have a couple of great writers and I realized that the only way to dominate is get our clients onto huge news/magazine/educational websites.

This has proven to be cheaper than having 10 link builders going for a month. One article from a National Newspaper with a link back got a page 1 result in 10 days (on a new website). Now we are working on dozens of others.

I think us nerds need to come out of the idea that real people don&#039;t exist anymore. You would be amazed what one call to an online magazine editor can do for you. If you do it with enough energy.

Let&#039;s see how we do after the next Penguin Update/Refresh - gulp!

Your first illustration (Mr Angel) could]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realized last month that my nerdy link building staff was no longer enough. They are great guys but this wouldn&#8217;t but it anymore. So I gritted my teeth, pulled from my savings and hired a badass PR. The type that sets up events, calls TV stations and doesn&#8217;t take no for an answer. Why? Because I have a couple of great writers and I realized that the only way to dominate is get our clients onto huge news/magazine/educational websites.</p>
<p>This has proven to be cheaper than having 10 link builders going for a month. One article from a National Newspaper with a link back got a page 1 result in 10 days (on a new website). Now we are working on dozens of others.</p>
<p>I think us nerds need to come out of the idea that real people don&#8217;t exist anymore. You would be amazed what one call to an online magazine editor can do for you. If you do it with enough energy.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see how we do after the next Penguin Update/Refresh &#8211; gulp!</p>
<p>Your first illustration (Mr Angel) could</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrod Wright</title>
		<link>http://pointblankseo.com/seo-cycle-infographic/comment-page-1#comment-13310</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarrod Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do as I say not as I do.  I too love looking at link profiles.  Most of the really big names don&#039;t work with clients or if they do the clients aren&#039;t anything like those the &quot;average&quot; SEO would work with.  It&#039;s real easy to remain philosophically pure when your working with fortune 500 companies who already have a mountain of link equity.  Raising their traffic by 5% is considered a huge success. When your clients are less established and your charged with tripling their traffic, your options become a little more creative. I personally don&#039;t believe that any real SEO in the trenches is completely white hat.    

This is the test i use....

Let&#039;s say you email a VERY authoritative and relevant blog in your clients niche pitching a guest post.  If the blog replies that they charge a smallish review fee on all guest posts. Do you...
a) Say &quot;no way, I only want links that are completely free&quot;.
b) Look at the clients budget and pull the trigger if you think its worth it. 

If your answer is &quot;b&quot; (and, in my opinion it should be) then your on some section of the grey spectrum.  I don&#039;t pretend to know where the line is or where it should be. I expect that it is different for each person.  I do know that if you stray too far in either direction, your bound for an ass kicking of some type.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do as I say not as I do.  I too love looking at link profiles.  Most of the really big names don&#8217;t work with clients or if they do the clients aren&#8217;t anything like those the &#8220;average&#8221; SEO would work with.  It&#8217;s real easy to remain philosophically pure when your working with fortune 500 companies who already have a mountain of link equity.  Raising their traffic by 5% is considered a huge success. When your clients are less established and your charged with tripling their traffic, your options become a little more creative. I personally don&#8217;t believe that any real SEO in the trenches is completely white hat.    </p>
<p>This is the test i use&#8230;.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say you email a VERY authoritative and relevant blog in your clients niche pitching a guest post.  If the blog replies that they charge a smallish review fee on all guest posts. Do you&#8230;<br />
a) Say &#8220;no way, I only want links that are completely free&#8221;.<br />
b) Look at the clients budget and pull the trigger if you think its worth it. </p>
<p>If your answer is &#8220;b&#8221; (and, in my opinion it should be) then your on some section of the grey spectrum.  I don&#8217;t pretend to know where the line is or where it should be. I expect that it is different for each person.  I do know that if you stray too far in either direction, your bound for an ass kicking of some type.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrod Wright</title>
		<link>http://pointblankseo.com/seo-cycle-infographic/comment-page-1#comment-13309</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarrod Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrod Wright</title>
		<link>http://pointblankseo.com/seo-cycle-infographic/comment-page-1#comment-13308</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarrod Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the share. I almost used the wickedfire logo because it would have been a lot better from a design standpoint. I wasn&#039;t sure, however, how popular that forum actually is. I wanted to be sure the concept was clear.  I don&#039;t read BHW that much because the design makes my brain hurt and the name makes me feel a little dirty.  I too am on the top of the swing... but it is starting to feel like any link building, regardless of the organic nature of the outreach, contains risk.  6 months ago, I thought the links we got through our work on MyBlogGuest were gold, now I am wondering if they&#039;ll end up being a liability. Blog networks and spinning software have long been removed from our toolbox, but my definition of gray hat includes a lot more.  You may only oscillate from very light gray to a slightly darker shade of gray, but I am assuming that most people go through this cycle. This graphic exaggerates that, but I am not convinced that the pendulum ever goes away. Even if it&#039;s only because the consensus and changing landscape cause the wobble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the share. I almost used the wickedfire logo because it would have been a lot better from a design standpoint. I wasn&#8217;t sure, however, how popular that forum actually is. I wanted to be sure the concept was clear.  I don&#8217;t read BHW that much because the design makes my brain hurt and the name makes me feel a little dirty.  I too am on the top of the swing&#8230; but it is starting to feel like any link building, regardless of the organic nature of the outreach, contains risk.  6 months ago, I thought the links we got through our work on MyBlogGuest were gold, now I am wondering if they&#8217;ll end up being a liability. Blog networks and spinning software have long been removed from our toolbox, but my definition of gray hat includes a lot more.  You may only oscillate from very light gray to a slightly darker shade of gray, but I am assuming that most people go through this cycle. This graphic exaggerates that, but I am not convinced that the pendulum ever goes away. Even if it&#8217;s only because the consensus and changing landscape cause the wobble.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrod Wright</title>
		<link>http://pointblankseo.com/seo-cycle-infographic/comment-page-1#comment-13307</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarrod Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL 4Real!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL 4Real!</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrod Wright</title>
		<link>http://pointblankseo.com/seo-cycle-infographic/comment-page-1#comment-13306</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarrod Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really good point.  I think I fell victim to the copy and paste laziness.  I don&#039;t know if changing them up would help my optimization since all of the smaller ones link to a non-optimized page, but they probably should be different just for the sake of proper HTML. I forget sometimes that alt tags have a purpose other than keyword stuffing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good point.  I think I fell victim to the copy and paste laziness.  I don&#8217;t know if changing them up would help my optimization since all of the smaller ones link to a non-optimized page, but they probably should be different just for the sake of proper HTML. I forget sometimes that alt tags have a purpose other than keyword stuffing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kane Jamison</title>
		<link>http://pointblankseo.com/seo-cycle-infographic/comment-page-1#comment-13287</link>
		<dc:creator>Kane Jamison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 02:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t intend it as making fun of you Jarrod - mostly making fun of all of the self-promotional drivel on Warrior Forum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t intend it as making fun of you Jarrod &#8211; mostly making fun of all of the self-promotional drivel on Warrior Forum.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 19:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent graphic Jarrod! Definitely every SEO doesn&#039;t always tow a straight line and as it becomes increasingly difficult to get clients to rank for highly competitive short tail keywords, the more SEO&#039;s will try out some greyish techniques. I have been evaluating backlinks of websites ranking on the first page for head terms for many years, and it&#039;s interesting to see that even the folks at SEOmoz and company don&#039;t always follow what they preach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent graphic Jarrod! Definitely every SEO doesn&#8217;t always tow a straight line and as it becomes increasingly difficult to get clients to rank for highly competitive short tail keywords, the more SEO&#8217;s will try out some greyish techniques. I have been evaluating backlinks of websites ranking on the first page for head terms for many years, and it&#8217;s interesting to see that even the folks at SEOmoz and company don&#8217;t always follow what they preach.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Cutler</title>
		<link>http://pointblankseo.com/seo-cycle-infographic/comment-page-1#comment-13274</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Cutler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha... this is a pretty reasonable assessment of how the pendulum swings for &quot;an SEO&quot;.
How to fix it? IMO: 

Don&#039;t cost Google money while you&#039;re making money off Google (for example waste their resources crawling and indexing webspam that&#039;s of no use to searchers) - parasites get eradicated. If you do, don&#039;t cry when you get stepped on and point to the other guy who got away with it. You don&#039;t know his secret sauce either, which leads me to my greater point...

Stop thinking like *you* have all the answers, or need to! The whole Black Hat vs White Hat SEO thingy is kind of embarrassing and industry people waste *hours* playing Philosoraptor around the subject, then when they&#039;re finally certain they have it ALL figured out (lol) Google releases an update, they get trounced and bleat about it. 

This is why the Agile cycle is so attractive to me, it&#039;s not about grand schemes (because the world might change a hell of a lot before those big plans come to fruition) it&#039;s about short-term increments that over time add up to that grand scheme - based in, and backed by, data every step of the way. You don&#039;t need to plot out everything first. All you need is where you want to wind up and what to do next. It really eliminates a lot of the &quot;but I thought I was supposed to ____&quot; complaints.

So don&#039;t worry about what SEO is, or isn&#039;t, or etc. Look at your data and figure out which number needs to go up. Then look at more data and figure out how to do it :)

PS last thing, don&#039;t forget that a lot of SEO thought leaders make their money by being thought leaders. They&#039;re not selling SEO services to clients so much as they&#039;re selling the SEO industry to junior industry members. Their registers ring through making people buy into their methodologies. Some are straight up scamsters and some seek to provide genuine value. But all of them have skin in the game of defining what SEO &quot;is&quot; and pretty well all of the time that definition is one that leads you towards their product, service, or system.

Great post man!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha&#8230; this is a pretty reasonable assessment of how the pendulum swings for &#8220;an SEO&#8221;.<br />
How to fix it? IMO: </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t cost Google money while you&#8217;re making money off Google (for example waste their resources crawling and indexing webspam that&#8217;s of no use to searchers) &#8211; parasites get eradicated. If you do, don&#8217;t cry when you get stepped on and point to the other guy who got away with it. You don&#8217;t know his secret sauce either, which leads me to my greater point&#8230;</p>
<p>Stop thinking like *you* have all the answers, or need to! The whole Black Hat vs White Hat SEO thingy is kind of embarrassing and industry people waste *hours* playing Philosoraptor around the subject, then when they&#8217;re finally certain they have it ALL figured out (lol) Google releases an update, they get trounced and bleat about it. </p>
<p>This is why the Agile cycle is so attractive to me, it&#8217;s not about grand schemes (because the world might change a hell of a lot before those big plans come to fruition) it&#8217;s about short-term increments that over time add up to that grand scheme &#8211; based in, and backed by, data every step of the way. You don&#8217;t need to plot out everything first. All you need is where you want to wind up and what to do next. It really eliminates a lot of the &#8220;but I thought I was supposed to ____&#8221; complaints.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t worry about what SEO is, or isn&#8217;t, or etc. Look at your data and figure out which number needs to go up. Then look at more data and figure out how to do it <img src='http://pointblankseo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PS last thing, don&#8217;t forget that a lot of SEO thought leaders make their money by being thought leaders. They&#8217;re not selling SEO services to clients so much as they&#8217;re selling the SEO industry to junior industry members. Their registers ring through making people buy into their methodologies. Some are straight up scamsters and some seek to provide genuine value. But all of them have skin in the game of defining what SEO &#8220;is&#8221; and pretty well all of the time that definition is one that leads you towards their product, service, or system.</p>
<p>Great post man!</p>
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		<title>By: Search Ramble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Search Ramble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pretty neat...made me laugh actually :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pretty neat&#8230;made me laugh actually <img src='http://pointblankseo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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